Defending the Theistic View

The Myth of Jesus: A Refutation of the Zeitgeist – Part 1

The film Zeitgeist begins with list of pagan gods such Horus, Attis, Krishna, Dionysus and Mithra. It goes through the list of details associated with Jesus Christ and then applies them to these pagan gods in order to create the impression that Christianity is only a copycat religion. However, viewers (whether believers or skeptics) should watch this film with the realization that there is an agenda behind it. — And I advise anyone reading this to do the same with what I am about to say as well.

As the film itself says, we want to be academically correct. So now it is our duty to check the facts to see if the makers of Zeitgeist have lived up to that expectation. If the film is right, then that means we Christians have a lot of reevaluating to do. If it is wrong, however, then it is the Jesus-Mythers that should reevaluate what they are spreading all over their webstes.

So, please bear with me as I go over the facts of this matter:

The first God that the film deals with is Horus, the God the Son of Osiris and Isis. — As I point out in the introduction of this review, the film makes claims in an attempt to tie Horus to Jesus. — After going into some background about him, the narator of the film says,

Horus was born on December 25th of the virgin Isis-Meri. His birth was accompanied by a star in the east, which in turn, three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior. At the age of 12, he was a prodigal child teacher, and at the age of 30 he was baptized by a figure known as Anup and thus began his ministry. Horus had 12 disciples he traveled about with, performing miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water. Horus was known by many gestural names such as The Truth, The Light, God’s Anointed Son, The Good Shepherd, The Lamb of God, and many others. After being betrayed by Typhon, Horus was crucified, buried for 3 days, and thus, resurrected.

horusThese are incredible claims. But as I said, we have to be skeptical of any film that has a clear agenda. The truth is that even though it is claimed that Horus was the product of a virgin birth, there is no reference that I could find that supports what the film says. It is actually unlikely that a married couple of gods would have not procreated at any time before the birth of Horus.

In fact, the claim that Horus’ mother, Isis, was a virgin is easily disproven by very little research. — The Encyclopedia Mythica shows that his birth was definitely sexual. After his father Osiris had been murdered by Seth, his body was scatered into pieces leaving Isis to recover them to reassemble her husband’s body. She then “impregnated herself from the Osiris’ body and gave birth to Horus in the swamps of Khemnis in the Nile Delta.”

Also, there is no indication of Horus’ birth-date being on December 25th, there is no Biblical nor historical reason why this date should be relevant to Christianity because the Bible gives no such information of the birth of Jesus. — In reality, Horus was born on the second of the Epagomenal Days which actually corresponds from July 31st to August 24th.

As for Zeitgeist calling his mother Isis-Meri – an obvious word game the film makers try to pull to link her to Mary – there is no reference that I could find that wasn’t a “Jesus-Myth” website. No academic or encyclopedic sources I could find said any such thing. She is simply called Isis. However, that isn’t to say it doesn’t exist as an Egyptian term. The reference I found was that one of Ramses II’s sons bore the name “Meri-Astrot,” or “Beloved of Astrot.” — “Meri” means beloved. (History Of Syria: Including Lebanon And Palestine, page 136) — I suppose Osiris, being her husband, could have called her by that title, but there is no reference to him doing it. But even if he did, it is a title, not a name like Mary, so it would be irrelevant.

There is no reference to Horus being a “prodigal child teacher” at the age of twelve, or of being baptized at age thirty. — Zeitgeist claims that he was baptized by “Anup,” hovever this is a demonstrable error. “Anup” is simply an alternate spelling for the name of the god Anubis who, by the way, was an embelmer, not a baptizer.

As for having twelve disciples, again, I ran into a brick wall as I could find nothing to confirm this claim. — One researcher/Christian apologist I read said he was able to find a reference to Horus having sixteen followers, and another in which he had an undefined number, but twelve disciples escaped his investigative research.

The claim that he performed miracles, even if true, would be irrelevant because “miracle working” is a way too common expectation of deities. And as for having similar titles to Jesus such as “The Truth, The Light, God’s Anointed Son, The Good Shepherd, or the Lamb of God” there is no evidence that he ever had them.

“Typhon” is simply the Greek name for Seth, the murderer of Horus’ father. Zeitgeist claims that he betrayed Horus, however Seth was Horus’ enemy from birth so by definition nobody was betrayed. It’s hard to be betrayed by someone who was never your friend to begin with. — The one reference that I could find that describes his death is seeminly unrelated to the Passion of Jesus. According to the Cippi of Horus, he was stung him to death by a scorpion. When Isis found him dead she is said to have become “distraught and frantic with grief, and was inconsolable.” – Thoth, who had helped her to revive her husband Osiris, heard her and came down to answer her. Isis was then supplied with incantations and then was able to revive her son. — No crucufixion, no three days in a tomb.

Zeitgeist also calls Horus the “Sun” god (or solar deity) in an attempt to tie him to Jesus who was the “son” of God. Overlooking the the fact that this is an irrelevant word game that only works in English, Jesus was never considered a solar deity. It doesn’t help matters for Zeitgeist and other “Jesus-Mythers” who make this claim that sun worship is a violation of Christian teaching. I’m fully aware that Zeitgeist tries to tie Jesus to “sun” worship via the zodiac, but I will cover that in a later post. — For the record, Ra was the sun god, though Horus was considered a sun god in falcon form.

To show that Jesus’ infancy is a plagiarizing, Zeitgeist goes on to cite a 3,500 year old Egyptian inscription found at Luxor that it claims tells the story of the annunciation, the immaculate conception, the birth and the adoration of Horus.

Luxor Inscription

Luxor Inscription

The film then says,

The images begin with Thoth announcing to the virgin Isis that she will conceive Horus. Then Neth the holy ghost impregnating the virgin. And then the virgin birth and the adoration. This is exactly the story of Jesus’ miracle conception.

This seems to implicate Christianity and Jesus as an imitation, however besides my refutation given above of untrue idea of Isis being a virgin when Horus was born, there is yet another problem with using the Luxor inscription to support the copycat hypothesis.

Richard Carrier, a historian and skeptic of Christianity in his comments about the inscription, says that this inscription has nothing to do with Christianity,

The Luxor inscription also does not depict impregnation by a spirit, but involves very real sex (indeed, the narrative borders on soft-core porn), and the woman involved is the mythical Queen of Egypt in an archetypal sense, not Isis per se.

In short, he ends up saying that the parallels are very week, and that what few parallels that do exist need not have been copied. He also points out that “Amun, not Thoth, announces the conception. . .” — Also the inscription, as far as I can tell isn’t even about Horus’ birth which only shows how poor a job the makers of Zeitgeist have done in researching for their film.

So my conclusion here is that there is no relevant parallel between Jesus and Horus, and the ones brought up are mostly fabricated. It’s too bad that a lot of people uncrittically accept such claims without doing any independent research of their own.

References:
Encyclopedia Mythica. Isis — by Micha F. Lindemans
The Ancient Egyptian Calendar
Five Days Out of Time by John Opsopaus
History Of Syria: Including Lebanon And Palestine, page 136. By Philip Khuri Hitti
Classic Encyclopedia – Anubis.
Good question. Was Jesus Christ just a CopyCat Savior Myth? By Glenn Miller.
Osiris and Isis
Cippi of Horus. From TourEgypt.net
Ra – The Sun-God
Horus, the God of Kings. by Jimmy Dunn
Luxor Inscription: Brunner’s Gottkoenigs & the Nativity of Jesus: A Brief Communication. By Richard Carrier

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14 responses

  1. Kris

    Very interesting. I wonder how the “Jesus-myth” people come about their knowledge of Egyptian myth. I mean, what manuscripts are they using to discover how the Egyptians viewed Horus, is that view an ancient Egyptian consensus or are there conflicting beliefs?

    Oh, on an unrelated topic, how do I put a “`” over the “e” in “expose” so that I can put you on my blogroll correctly?

    Thanks

    Eric Kemp

    November 21, 2008 at 8:33 pm

  2. Oh! I thought this was “expose”, never mind

    November 21, 2008 at 8:35 pm

  3. krissmith777

    Eric, you mean the accent?

    What I did was go Microsoft Word, use the “symbol” option, typed it into the Word Perfect document, then I cut and pasted it to the blog.

    November 21, 2008 at 10:14 pm

  4. robert lloyd

    this is brilliant i thought of this theory when i was 15

    January 2, 2009 at 3:17 pm

  5. robert lloyd

    jesus is a fraud

    January 2, 2009 at 3:29 pm

  6. krissmith777

    robert lloyd says:

    “jesus is a fraud”

    wow! (*Clapping*) What a well argued ansd well substantiated argument!

    January 2, 2009 at 10:07 pm

  7. krissmith777

    robert lloyd

    “this is brilliant i thought of this theory when i was 15”

    I wonder. Did vyou actually read my post? Because I am actually arguing against the idea that Jesus Christ is a copycat.

    January 3, 2009 at 1:28 am

  8. This is very interesting, i was about to be baptized Mormon, when on close inspection of the Temple in Utah The eye of Horus is visable on the doorway, as is many Masonic and pagan symbols, this worried me, on your dollar bill, theres horus, in many catholic churches theres Horus, also apparently the “divie Chist” the illuminati pyramid, in Nickelodean check google, for illuminati pyramd, The founder of the Jehovahs witnesses buried in a pyramid, if this is christian then whats going on, suffice to say im extremely concerned, why is the pyramid and eye of horus so highly regarded, amongst other religions, and worse high ranking people, all i want to do is find god, but its making me sceptical.

    February 11, 2009 at 7:41 pm

    • LEE WYLDE

      All religions are the same, they are a designed desease of the mind manufactured by men to explain unexplained phenomena and to divide men so that they may be conquered by those in charge. Remember they are all similar but all so different, they are all so contradicting so that men who follow one rligion or another will contradict eachother and fight with eachother.The design of a pyramid was the subject of a principle and that principle is still upheld today.
      This principle is as follows: Imagine a pyramid with the richest and most advanced of society living at the top. These people would be fewer than those at the bottom because there was less room at the top and at the very top would be the king or god that would be worshipped. Now come back to today and Imagine social classes as parts of a pyramid with bankers and politicians and world leaders at the top and very poor and working cass at the bottom. You see? pyramids are still being buit today, you just can’t see them and religion is just another invisible force that keeps the people that make the pyramid work in their places.

      October 14, 2009 at 9:20 am

      • krissmith777

        Lee Wylde

        Religoins “designed by deseases of the mind?” — Nice. you are a perfect example of a secularist bigot. — Religion is no more a mental illness than atheism.

        October 14, 2009 at 6:31 pm

  9. f3f3

    Unfortunately the Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons aren’t christians, they like zeitgeist are very selective in their borrowing of details from the bible, which they take and spin into their own myths. When they’re analysed they do seem to behave similiarly to corporations and use fear to control their followers.

    Jesus teaching is worth studying. It’s very countercultural and can be used to refute JW’s and Mormons. (google: The Berean Call) Check for “the meeting house” podcast on itunes or google it and loko for “Duped Questioning the logic of pop spirituality, Part 5: Did Jesus Exist?” and you’ll find lots of evidence against zeitgeist.. I could go on, there are so many sources.

    Anway, to be inspired, Read the bible yourself! It’s easy, or look on amazon for any or all of these books: “the end of religion”, “the case for christ”, “jesus among other gods”, or http://www.amazon.com/Reason-God-Belief-Age-Skepticism/dp/0525950494

    May 17, 2009 at 6:34 pm

  10. What!? Deleted my comment! I took quite some time writing it! Damn! Can’t you defend against it or were you scared because proven wrong! So typical!

    August 8, 2009 at 12:56 am

    • krissmith777

      Sorry, but i always erase bogus comments, no matter how extensive they are.

      September 18, 2009 at 4:39 pm

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